Chapter 1 -
The divinity of Jesus
When a Christian believer
speaks with a Jehovah's Witness, one of the largest distinctive factors is the
divinity of Jesus. Jehovah's Witnesses do not really believe in the divinity of
Jesus; they regard Him only as a created being who was and is a great spiritual
being in Heaven, actually He is the archangel Michael. He is also believed to
have been on Earth as an ordinary person:
Jesus was in Heaven before
coming on Earth. But was He one person of the almighty, everlasting triune God?
No, for the Bible clearly says that before Jesus became a man, He was a created
spirit, just as the angels were spirits created by God. (...)
But because
Jesus was not God, He could have been disloyal.
From Jesus, who
was not more than a perfect man, became a ransom that compensated exactly what
Adam lost - the right to the perfect human life on Earth. (Tulisiko sinun
uskoa kolminaisuuteen [Should You Believe in the Trinity?], p. 14,15)
But is this view of the
Jehovah's Witnesses' and the Watchtower Society about Jesus true? We will try
to give an answer to this below.
VERSES THAT REFER TO THE
DIVINITY OF JESUS
Firstly, it is good to note
that in the Bible, there are many verses that speak about the divinity of
Jesus. The significance of these verses is that if they are examined by a
person who is not yet saturated with the doctrine of the Watchtower Society, he
will certainly understand that those verses clearly speak about the divinity of
Jesus:
- (1 John 5:20-21) And we know that
the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know him
that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus
Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
- (John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God.
- (Rom 9:5) Whose are the
fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over
all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
- (Tit 2:13) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing
of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;
- (Matt 1:22-23) Now all this was done,
that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a
son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God
with us.
- (John 20:28) And Thomas answered and
said to him, My LORD and my God.
- (1 Cor 2:7-8) But we speak the wisdom
of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the
world to our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known
it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
- (Phil 2:5-8) Let this mind be in you,
which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who,
being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with
God:
7 But made
himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and
was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and
became obedient to death, even the death of the cross.
- (Col 2:8-9) Beware lest any man
spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after
the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
- (1 Tim 3:16) And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen
of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into
glory.
- (1 Tim 4:10) For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach,
because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of
those that believe.
- (Hebr 1:7-8) And of the angels
he said, Who makes his angels spirits, and
his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But to the Son he said, Your throne, O God, is for
ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
JOHN 1:1
The previous list had the
first verse from the Gospel of John (In the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.). In the original
language, this verse is one of the best pieces of evidence about the divinity
of Jesus. Even the literature of the Watchtower Society admits that this verse
confirms the divinity of Jesus:
A Bible reader who uses the
commonly accepted translations will immediately say, “There should not be any
difficulty in understanding who the Word is. It clearly says that the Word is
God, and God is God. (Word, who He Was According to John, p. 4).
However, it is important that
when this same verse does not fit the doctrine of the Watchtower Society, it
has been changed a little. In its own New World Translation, the Society has
translated and changed this verse so that it says that Jesus is only one of the
gods. In its translation, the word “God” is not capitalized and even has an
indefinite article before it. This verse has been translated in the following
way by them:
- ... and the Word was a god.
However, it is strange that
the Watchtower Society has not followed the same translation principles in
other similar verses. If we look at the same first chapter of the Gospel of
John (dozens of similar examples can be found in NT), the following
verses should also have been translated in the same way as in John 1:1.
However, the Society has not done this, but has translated them according to
what is said also in other translations. Is this because only John 1:1
emphasizes the divinity of Jesus too strongly, and the other verses do not?
In any case, if
the Society was to follow the same translation principles than in John 1:1, it
should have translated the verses below in the following way:
- (John 1:6) There was a man sent from (a) God, whose name was John.
- (John 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to
become the sons of (a) God, even to them that believe on
his name:
- (John 1:13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the
flesh, nor of the will of man, but of (a) God.
- (John 1:18) No man has seen (a) God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the
Father, he has declared him.
ONE WITH THE FATHER
One good piece of evidence of
the divinity of Jesus is that He is one with the Father. Jesus said that who
has seen Him, has seen the Father. These verses refer to Jesus being as divine
as His heavenly Father:
- (John 10:30-33) I and my Father
are one.
31 Then the Jews
took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered
them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those
works do you stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not;
but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself
God.
- (John 14:7-9) If you had known me, you
should have known my Father also: and from now on you know him, and have seen
him.
8 Philip said to
him, Lord, show us the Father, and it suffises us.
9 Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet
have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how
say you then, Show us the Father?
- (Hebr 1:3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all
things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat
down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
When it is a question of the above-mentioned
verses, the Watchtower Society generally explains them so that Jesus is one
with his Father only in His goals and His will, but not in His nature and
essence.
But if Jesus
really meant this, why did the Jews intend to stone him? Did they not intend to
stone him because He said He was equal to the almighty God? In the Jewish
society of those days - which believed only in one almighty God - this had
quite a special meaning. People in this
society could in no way mistake the significance of the words of Jesus about
His divinity. (It should be noted that the cause of Jesus' death was the
same.)
The conclusion
is that Jesus has to be one with the Father, not just in His goals and His
will, but also in nature and essence. This same divine connection can also be
found in the next examples:
God / Jesus has created
everything:
- (Gen 1:1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.
- (Job 38:4) Where were you when I laid the foundations of the
earth? declare, if you have
understanding.
- (John 1:9-10) That was the true
Light, which lights every man that comes into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him,
and the world knew him not.
- (Col 1:16) For by him were
all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or
dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and
for him:
God / Jesus is unchanging:
- (Mal 3:6) For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore you
sons of Jacob are not consumed.
- (Hebr 13:8) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for
ever.
The Judgement of God and
Jesus Christ:
- (Rom 14:10) But why do you judge
your brother? or why do you set at nothing your brother? for we shall all
stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
- (2 Cor 5:10) For we must all
appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to
that he has done, whether it be good or bad.
WORSHIPPING JESUS
The Bible says in several places
that God does not give His glory to others and that we cannot have other gods
before Him. He never gives His glory to anyone else or for example to idols:
- (Isa 42:8) I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I
not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
- (Exodus 20:2-3) I am the LORD
your God, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of
bondage.
3 You shall have no other gods before me.
On the other hand, we can
also find a teaching in the Bible of the angels of God not taking worship for
themselves; they will refuse it. A good example is in the Revelation: John fell
down at the feet of an angel, and the angel warned John not to do it. (It
should be remembered that in the teaching of the Watchtower Society, Jesus is
believed to have been an angel - actually the archangel Michael - before He
came on Earth.):
- (Rev 22:8-9) And I John saw these
things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to
worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things.
9 Then said he to me, See you do it not: for I am your fellow
servant, and of your brothers the prophets, and of them which keep the
sayings of this book: worship God.
However, when we look at the
Bible verses about Jesus, we see several in which He is worshipped, bowed, and
respected, just like the Father. There is also one verse in which Jesus is set
aside from the angels and the angels bow Him.
This kind of
worshipping could not be possible if Jesus was only a man or an angel:
- (Phil 2:10-11) That at the name
of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to
the glory of God the Father.
- (John 9:38) And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
- (Matt 14:33) Then they
that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth you are the
Son of God.
- (Matt 28:9) And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus
met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and
worshipped him.
- (Hebr 1:5-8) For to which of
the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, this day have I begotten you? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again,
when he brings in the first-begotten into the world, he said, And let all
the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the
angels he said, Who makes his
angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But to the Son he said, Your throne, O God, is for
ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
- (John 5:22-23) For the Father judges no
man, but has committed all judgment to the Son:
23 That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the
Father. He that honors not
the Son honors not the Father which has sent him.
- (Rev 22:1,3) And he showed me a pure
river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of
God and of the Lamb.
yielded her fruit every
month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and
of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
A CREATED BEING OR AN ETERNAL
GOD?
When it is a question of the
Jehovah's witnesses' view on Jesus, He is like a smaller "god" who has
been created but the Father God is almighty and the highest God. Jesus can be
seen to be a "god" only in that He is a great spiritual being.
Neither is He ever thought to be eternal.
However, if we
study this view by means of many Bible verses, they indicate just the opposite.
They speak, among other things, about His eternity and how everything has been
created by Him. This would in no way be possible for a created being:
Eternal. Firstly, Isaiah
9:6 and other verses indicate that Jesus is eternal. If someone is eternal, He cannot have been created, as the
Watchtower Society teaches:
- (Isa 9:6) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given:
and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The
Prince of Peace.
- (Micah 5:2) But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little
among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth to me that
is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from
everlasting.
- (1 John 1:1-2) That which was
from the beginning, which we have heard,
which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked on, and our hands have
handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear
witness, and show to you that eternal life, which was with the Father,
and was manifested to us;)
- (Hebr 7:3) Without father, without mother, without descent,
having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like to the Son
of God; stays a priest continually.
Through Jesus all things were
created. One example of the divinity of Jesus is that all things were created by
Him and have their origins in Him.
If without Jesus, the Word, nothing would
have been created, it means that He cannot be a created being but must have
always existed. Many verses also indicate that He is also life - it is a
characteristic that belongs only to God:
- (John 1:3,4) All things were
made by him; and without him was
not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life;
and the life was the light of men.
- (Col 1:16-17) For by him were
all things created, that are in heaven,
and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or
dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and
for him:
17 And he is
before all things, and by him all things consist.
- (John 11:25) Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection, and the
life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
No other gods. The idea that Jesus was a created god does not agree with the next
verses. They indicate that no god has been created and that there is no other
God than the right God. The conclusion is that as these and many other verses
speak about God, they can only refer to one God who has informed Himself
through Jesus Christ.
On the other hand, if the Jehovah's Witnesses do not admit
the divinity of Jesus and that He is one with the Father God, they then have
two Gods: Jesus, a powerful God who has been created and the Father God, the
Almighty who has created Jesus. In fact, they have many gods, which makes them
polytheist:
- (Isa 43:10) You are my witnesses, said the LORD, and my servant
whom I have chosen: that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am
he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
- (Isa 45:5) I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no
God beside me: I girded you, though you have not known me:
- (Deut 32:39) See now that I, even I,
am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound,
and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
JEHOVAH AND JESUS
Some of the best pieces of
evidence about the divinity of Jesus are the Bible verses where Jesus is
connected with the name Jehovah. (Most learned people regard this form of
the name of God as wrong and believe that the original name was Yahveh.)
Jehovah's Witnesses emphasize this name but the Bible verses below indicate
that Jesus is Jehovah / God and also the Father. To make things clear, we have
used boldfacing and italics to mark those places (in the Old Testament) where
the word Jehovah / Jahveh (the LORD) appears:
MAKE ROAD FOR THE LORD /
JEHOVAH, MEANING JESUS
Prophecy:
- (Isa 40:3-5) The voice of him
that cries in the wilderness, Prepare you
the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for
our God.
4 Every valley
shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the
crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed,
and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.
Fulfillment:
- (Matt 3:1-3,11) In those days
came John the Baptist, preaching in
the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying,
Repent you: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3 For this is
he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying
in the wilderness, Prepare you the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
11 I indeed baptize you with water to repentance. but he that
comes after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear:
he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
- (Luke 1:16-17) And many of the children
of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power
of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the
disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the
Lord.
- (Luke 1:76) And you,
child, shall be called the prophet of the Highest: for you shall go
before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
THERE IS NO OTHER SAVIOUR
THAN THE LORD/ JEHOVAH JESUS
Prophecy:
- (Isa 43:11) I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me
there is no savior.
Fulfillment:
- (Acts 4:11-12) This is the stone which was set at nothing of
you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for
there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE
LORD / JEHOVAH, JESUS
Prophecy:
- (Joel 2:32) And it shall come to pass, that whoever shall call on
the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be
deliverance, as the LORD has said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
Fulfillment:
- (Rom 10:9,13) That if you shall
confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead,
you shall be saved.
13 For whoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
- (1 Cor 1:2) To the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that
are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every
place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and
our's:
- (Acts 9:21) But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this
he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem,
and came here for that intent, that he might bring them bound to the chief
priests?
"I AM" THAT IS THE
NAME OF GOD AND JESUS
Prophecy:
- (Exo 3:14-15) And God said to Moses, I
AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say to the children of Israel, I
AM has sent me to you.
15 And God said moreover to Moses, Thus shall you say to the
children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham,
the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is my name
for ever, and this is my memorial to all generations.
Fulfillment:
- (John 8:58) Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before
Abraham was, I am.
THE LORD / JEHOVAH JESUS, WHO SEARCHES THE HEART
Prophecy:
- (Jer 17:10) I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to
his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Fulfillment:
- (Rev 2:18,22,23) And to the angel
of the church in Thyatira write; These things said the Son of God,
who has his eyes like to a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
22 Behold, I will
cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great
tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches
shall know that I am he which searches the reins and hearts: and I will
give to every one of you according to your works.
THE LORD/ JEHOVA, JESUS, WHO
COMES WITH ALL HIS SAINTS
Prophecy:
- (Zec 14:5) And you shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for
the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal: yes, you shall flee, like as
you fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and
the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with you.
Fulfillment:
- (1 Thess 3:13) To the end he may establish your hearts blameless in
holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus
Christ with all his saints.
THE LORD / JEHOVAH, JESUS,
WHO IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF PEOPLE
Prophecy:
- (Jer 23:5-6) Behold, the days come,
said the LORD, that I will raise to David a righteous Branch, and a King
shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and
this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR
RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Fulfillment:
- (1 Cor 1:30-31) But of him are
you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made to us wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glories, let him
glory in the Lord.
- (Rom 4:25) Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.
THE LORD / JEHOVAH, JESUS AND
THIRTY SILVER COINS
Prophecy:
- (Zec 11:12-13) And I said to them, If
you think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for
my price thirty pieces of silver.
13 And the LORD said to me, Cast it to the
potter: a goodly price that I was priced at of them. And I took the
thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.
Fulfillment:
- (Matt 26:15) And said to them, What will you give me, and I will
deliver him to you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.
THE LORD / JEHOVAH, JESUS,
WHO IS PIERCED AND POURING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
Prophecy:
- (Zec 12:1,10) The burden of the
word of the LORD for Israel, said the LORD, which stretches
forth the heavens, and lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit
of man within him.
10 And I
will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the
spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look on me whom
they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his
only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for
his firstborn.
Fulfillment:
- (John 19:33-37) But when they
came to Jesus, and saw that he was
dead already, they broke not his legs:
34 But one of
the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and immediately came there out
blood and water.
35 And he that
saw it bore record, and his record is true: and he knows that he said true,
that you might believe.
36 For these
things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall
not be broken.
37 And
again another scripture said, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
- (Acts 2:32- 33) This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having
received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth
this, which you now see and hear.
THE LORD / JEHOVAH, JESUS,
WHO IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST
Prophecy:
- (Isa 44:6) Thus said the LORD the King of Israel,
and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first,
and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Fulfillment:
- (Rev 1:17-18) And when I saw him, I
fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand on me, saying to me, Fear
not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that lives, and was dead; and, behold, I am
alive for ever more, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
- (Rev 22:12- 13) And, behold, I
come quickly; and my reward is with
me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first
and the last.
- (Rev 21:6- 7) And he said to me, It
is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I
will give to him that is thirsty of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be
his God, and he shall be my son.
THE LORD/ JEHOVAH, JESUS,
BEFORE HIM EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW
Prophecy:
- (Isa 45:21-24) Tell you, and bring them
near; yes, let them take counsel together: who has declared this from ancient
time? who has told it from that time? have
not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me;
a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.
22 Look to me,
and be you saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none
else.
23 I have sworn
by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not
return, That to me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall
swear.
24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I
righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are
incensed against him shall be ashamed.
Fulfillment:
- (Phil 2:10-11) That at the name
of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to
the glory of God the Father.
THE LORD/ JEHOVAH, JESUS, WHO
IS THE SHEPHERD
Prophecy:
- (Ps 23:1) The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not
want.
Fulfillment:
- (John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
GOD / JESUS, WHO laid the foundations of the earth
Prophecy:
- (Ps 102:24-27) I said, O my
God, take me not away in the middle of
my days: your years are throughout all generations.
25 Of old have
you laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of your
hands.
26 They shall
perish, but you shall endure: yes, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as
a clothing shall you change them, and they shall be changed:
27 But you are the same, and your years shall have no end.
Fulfillment:
- (Hebr 1:7,8,10-12) And of the angels
he said, Who makes his angels spirits, and
his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But to
the Son he said, Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a
scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved
righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed
you with the oil of gladness above your fellows.
10 And, You,
Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the
heavens are the works of your hands:
11 They shall
perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment;
12 And as a clothing shall you fold them up, and they shall be
changed: but you are the same, and your years shall not fail.